How do I remove a special cursor pop-up

I hat the display of any pop-ups en toolbars when reading the forum, so I removed most of the Alt="blabla" an title="blabla".

There is just one pop-up I'm not able to remove and cann't fing if anywhere.

When the mousepointer goes over an picture, the pop-up "[image]" is shown above
the mousepionter, but I cann't find it where it's located or generated.

Does anybody have an idea? I woul be gratefull. :-D

Grgards,
Paul

Hi Paul!

I hat the display of any pop-ups en toolbars when reading the forum, so I removed most of the Alt="blabla" an title="blabla".

I guess you are talking about a "tooltip" which becomes visible if hovering with the mouse-pointer above an object? That's not a pop-up!
In (X)HTML 1.0 Strict the alt-attribute is required for the image-tag (if you remove it, the page will not be valid any more). If you don't like it, replace the content with an empty string (alt=""). But it's not a good idea anyhow. Users with text-based browsers - or if graphics are switched off - are left out in the rain.

The title-attribute for any tag is optional. Old IE's (prior to v7) erroneously show the content of the alt-attribute if no title-attribute is given. If you want to get rid of it, either remove it completely or (better!) set it to title="".

Let's look at an example:
The Ajax-preview is marked with a small "speech bubble" [image] and the tooltip "Show preview" (that's the title). Without graphics you see the text "[…]" instead (that's the content of the alt-attribute of this image), and the same tooltip. If you remove the title, you see the content of the alt-attribute in the tooltip in IE<6, any nothing in modern browsers (might be confusing, because users have to guess, what "[…]" means). If you remove both the alt and the title, the Ajax-preview is not accessible any more!

Information from the W3C-specification:
alt-attribute: Text contained within the alt attribute is used to specify alternative information that should be shown if an image is inaccessible.
title-attribute: Text contained within the title attribute is used to display additional information.

That's exactly what the forum's scripts do (click here to check); you made some modifications in your forum, which resulted in invalid HTML (check here).

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Cheers,
Alfie (Helmut Schütz)
BEBA-Forum (v1.8β)

Hi Helmut,

Thanks for your answer. You are right. I did mean those "toolstips".
They may be needed for the browser, but I don't see any use/reason to show them on-screen.

It looks pretty silly when the mousepointer is on a picture and the "tooltip" says "[image]"
I know that and most users know that it is an image. :-P

Regards,
Paul

Hello

Thanks for your answer. You are right. I did mean those "toolstips".
They may be needed for the browser, but I don't see any use/reason to show them on-screen.

Then use an empty alt-attribute, like Alfie said. This attribute is needed as he described.

Tschö, Auge

Hi Paul!

It looks pretty silly when the mousepointer is on a picture and the "tooltip" says "[image]"

OK, as already said that's a bug in M$-IE (pre 7). :angry:

IE 6.0.2900.5512
Seamonkey 1.1.17

If you want to replace the alt-attribute with an empty one, edit functions.inc.php – in the current version 2.1.1 lines 455 and 460. If you have an older version locate the 2nd occurancy of the string

// [img]image[/img]

and edit lines just below. Change from

    if(!isset ($attributes['default'])) return '<img src="'.htmlspecialchars($content).'"
alt="[image]" />';
    return '<img src="'.htmlspecialchars($content).'" style="float:'.htmlspecialchars(
$attributes['default']).';padding:'.$padding.';" alt="[image]" />';

    if(!isset ($attributes['default'])) return '<img src="'.htmlspecialchars($content).'"
alt="" />';
    return '<img src="'.htmlspecialchars($content).'" style="float:'.htmlspecialchars(
$attributes['default']).';padding:'.$padding.';" alt="" />';

The better solution (which works in all browsers, and gives in text-browser still the information that an image is there) would be to keep the alt-attribute and add an empty title-attribute (for IE<7 only):

    if(!isset ($attributes['default'])) return '<img src="'.htmlspecialchars($content).'"
alt="[image]" title="" />';
    return '<img src="'.htmlspecialchars($content).'" style="float:'.htmlspecialchars(
$attributes['default']).';padding:'.$padding.';" alt="[image]" title="" />';

Untested! I'm not using v2 myself (but I'm using a similar solution in my installation; check this post in IE6).

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Cheers,
Alfie (Helmut Schütz)
BEBA-Forum (v1.8β)

Hi Helmut (Alfie)

I changed the function.inc.php as you told me. It works fine with Firefox.
On my other machine I use IE6 and that tooltip still appears there (as said).

So far no problems and will keep on testing it.

Thanks and regards,
Paul

Hi Paul,

something must have happended with your edit or the upload to the server. The HTML-source of this post still comes up as:

<p>Te koop video2000 recorder, werking? ophalen 10,00 euro<br />
<img src="images/uploaded/200907302049504a71eb4e64273.jpg" alt="[image]" /></p>

If you test the page, be sure to clear the browser's cache and refresh the page (IE is notorious for it's memory).

P.S.: And change in your main template

<META HTTP-EQUIV="imagetoolbar" CONTENT="no">

<meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no" />

All tags in XHTML 1.0 Strict must be lower-case, and end with "/>".

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Cheers,
Alfie (Helmut Schütz)
BEBA-Forum (v1.8β)

Hi Helmut,

Hmm... I've checked the edited file and it looks fine to me.
If I only knew where that Alt-code is coming from..... :-(

Regards,
Paul

Hi Paul!

If I only knew where that Alt-code is coming from.....

Only from functions.inc.php. Contact me by e-mail and I can look at your script.

→ Second solution worked.

<p>Te koop video2000 recorder, werking? ophalen 10,00 euro<br />
<img src="images/uploaded/200907302049504a71eb4e64273.jpg" alt="[image]" title="" /></p>

P.S. @Alex: I opened a bug-report - IMHO should go with the next revision.

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Cheers,
Alfie (Helmut Schütz)
BEBA-Forum (v1.8β)

Hi Helmut,

Thanks to your help this problem is solved. :ok:

Thank you very much.

Regards,
Paul

P.S. @Alex: I opened a bug-report - IMHO should go with the next revision.

I don't think empty title attributes are very reasonable. Furthermore I do not make major efforts for IE 6 anymore.

Alex

Hi Alex!

I don't think empty title attributes are very reasonable.

But they help resolving a bug in IE<7. If no title-attribute is given, IE<7 displays the alt-attribute, which is really stupid.

Furthermore I do not make major efforts for IE 6 anymore.

Come on, two lines of code - I wouldn't call that a major effort. I'm running a forum for a global audience and according to my server logs still 60% of user-agents are IE6 (or lower).

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Cheers,
Alfie (Helmut Schütz)
BEBA-Forum (v1.8β)

Hello

I don't think empty title attributes are very reasonable.

But they help resolving a bug in IE<7. If no title-attribute is given, IE<7 displays the alt-attribute, which is really stupid.

It may be stupid (and I think so too), but it is not a bug! There is no directive inside the HTML-standard, how to handle alt-attributes content except to show it if an image could not be displayed. It is not illegal to show it's content additional(!) in a bubble.

I'm running a forum for a global audience and according to my server logs still 60% of user-agents are IE6 (or lower).

Whow 60% with IE6 or lower? To use IE6 because it is predetermined, is o.k. It is like it is. But to use an older version than 6 is ...

Tschö, Auge

Hi Auge!

It may be stupid (and I think so too), but it is not a bug! There is no directive inside the HTML-standard, how to handle alt-attributes content except to show it if an image could not be displayed. It is not illegal to show it's content additional(!) in a bubble.

OK, you are right.

Whow 60% with IE6 or lower? To use IE6 because it is predetermined, is o.k. It is like it is. But to use an older version than 6 is ...

≈⅔ of accesses to my forum are coming from India… v5.5 seems to be 'popular' in internet-cafés.

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Cheers,
Alfie (Helmut Schütz)
BEBA-Forum (v1.8β)

interesting..

I read the first bit of the thread and a bit of the rest, it's all a bit tl;dr for me.

If you go to:
includes/functions.tpl.inc and find "<img" you'll find the html which is created for newly uploaded images, inline is the alt="[image]" you're after. Insert a blank space if you wish.

This will only work with newly uploaded images.

Hello

I read the first bit of the thread and a bit of the rest, it's all a bit tl;dr for me.

If you go to:
includes/functions.tpl.inc and find "<img" you'll find the html which is created for newly uploaded images, inline is the alt="[image]" you're after. Insert a blank space if you wish.

This will only work with newly uploaded images.

As suggested by Alfie :-)

Tschö, Auge

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